Will the Real Civil Libertarians Please Stand Up?
Posted by Aled Dilwyn Fisher on June 15, 2008
This morning, I saw an interview of David Davis given by Andrew Marr. For the BBC’s standards, this was a pretty good interview in terms of testing his reasons for the shock resignation, and it seemed at some points that Davis was genuinely being twisted by Marr’s questions. Though Davis took the politician’s slick route out of most of the questions (and repeated the same tired lines on Sky News later on), his ambiguity was telling on the course of the whole affair.
Who is the real David Davis? He is a member of the Tory hard right-wing, and holds some pretty atrocious political views, which makes me feel uneasy whenever I see him praised by genuine civil libertarians.
David Davis is, amongst other things:
- For the death penalty;
- Very strongly for the Iraq War;
- Against equal rights for LGBT people;
- Against the ban on hunting.
Interestingly, he has apparently “never voted” on parliamentary transparency – strange, given that Davis repeatedly made the point that he felt the ’sanctity’ of parliament had been defiled by Labour’s dodgy dealings with various groups to buy the 42 days vote. Marr countered by noting that parliament has always been the scene of dodgy dealing, which begs the question of why this particular issue at this particular time has led to this particular reaction from this particular Tory frontbencher.
Most significantly, Davis backed 28 days detention, and even admitted that and stood by it in the interview today. Apparently, banging people up without charge for 4 weeks is fine; 6 weeks, and its time for a principled resignation on the issue of, erm, banging people up without trial for too long.
After all, there are plenty of other disgusting initiatives by ‘Labour’ that Davis would be hard-pressed to claim are not worse even than this latest fiasco. The Iraq War has killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people, created misery for millions more, destabilised the Middle-East and was all based on lies. Why has Davis not resigned on this fact alone, or on the fact that the government refuses to allow an investigation into one of the most important issues of a generation?
Marr was most pressing on the fact that, in under two years, Davis would likely have become Home Secretary in a Tory government, with the opportunity to reverse this decision. Davis was evasive, huffing and puffing away the answer with tired rhetoric about “wanting to take a stand”.
But this is where people are having the problem. He has, it seems, made a personal sacrifice – a pretty big one for a career politician. But has he really thrown away his chance at being on the Tory front bench, or has he taken a gamble that might elevate his standing even further? People have resigned for much worse things before and bounced back. And however much Cameron is angry at this decision, he knows he needs Davis (and the Tory rightists he represents) and Davis needs him. In fact, Cameron might be pleased with this turn of events, given how popular it seems to be for the wrong reasons, and how it allows the Tories to yet again out-flank ‘Labour’ to the left.
Thus the idea that this resignation is principled is ridiculous, but I think a lot of people are still unable to pin down his precise reasoning – meaning that they are quite happy to buy his argument. Of course, sometimes people miscalculate and make mistakes, and I imagine that whatever Davis really envisaged would happen is changing over time, and will change again.
I still think that this is going to damage the government more than it damages Davis and the Tories – at worse, it will damage both parties equally. But just look at the choice for Brown – ‘Labour’ has to decide between whether to run on the issue and surely lose in a safe Tory seat, or back out and be seen as cowardly.
That said, while New ‘Labour’ deserve to be vilified for their recent actions, particularly 42 days, that doesn’t mean we should give them a bloody nose by helping the Tories and Davis’s stunt.
As for the Lib Dems, they show their weakness yet again. Not standing against this Tory stunt is not principled – it is practical. I spoke to a Lib Dem insider who said that they would never run the campaign because of the trajectory of the party in local politics in the constituency. If the Lib Dems were a true party of civil liberties, they could have stood and rejected 28 days and all the other right-wing law and order measures that Davis has put forward as Shadow Home Secretary.
Let’s be clear – Davis’s resignation has brought up a lot of issues, including the wider government agenda. But let’s not confuse the bringing up of issues with this being a move we should applaud. There are many ways to bring up issues, and I think the issue would have stayed around anyway. The only publicity being gained at the moment is for David Davis himself, as all the other arguments are rehashed to a public who are already aware and decided either way.
People are arguing that “it’s the message, not the messenger”. If so, then there are lots of personalities and stunts that “bring up issues”. It isn’t whether the issues are brought up, but how they are brought up that is key. Davis is going to go out and campaign on the fact that 6 weeks is somehow massively different than 4 weeks, so those arguing that 4 weeks are already way, way too much – particularly compared to other countries, even the United States – are going to have a hard time muscling in on the parameters of the debate.
There is talk of a grassroots coalition coming together of genuine anti-authoritarian activists to stand against Davis and reclaim the agenda. I am for this, but would be interested to see who is found to front the campaign. I fear that there is a highly tempting level of opportunism here – imagine the media exposure someone will get if they run in this now. If there is going to be a true rank-and-file movement running, they have to pick someone with a high profile and a low ego, preferably a local campaigner, who should only run if they are adequately resourced to make a splash with the real issues (because the costs of running and getting heavily defeated are perhaps higher than the rewards from the attention gained in doing so) – namely making it clear that, while Davis is right that there are too many CCTV cameras, ID cards are a sham and the country is becoming more authoritarian, we need a real movement for change in the country that opposes authoritarianism with radical community action, makes clear that 28 days is still to much, and opposes war, privatisation, racism and the other aspects of the authoritarian agenda.
Just remember – every time people cheer on Davis, they are cheering on a right-wing Tory and giving credence to his egotistical manoeuvres and his party’s ‘softer’ image. People should enter this debate, but should go much, much further than Davis could ever go.
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jim jay said
Aled, welcome to the blogosphere!
Good luck with it.
Green Rab C said
Thanks Aled,
A very good start. While scanning blogs today I came across a Nulab fanatic, Luke Akehurst. His blog on 42 days is atrocious, but it gets worse when he is trading comments with Rachel North, who was a victim on 7/7. His comments are truly fascist, check it out but accept the health warning in advance. I look forward to reading more from you.
http://lukeakehurst.blogspot.com/2008/06/idea.html
Sue Luxton said
Hi Aled
Congrats on your new blog. Thoughtful first post to kick off with. Do you think Greens should stand against David Davis? If we had a spare £5k kicking around and could persuade someone like Mark Thomas to stand, I’d be inclined to say yes, otherwise I think probably no, as we would struggle to get across why we were standing against a ‘defender of civil liberties’. Oh, and I’ve put a link on my blog, btw.
Philip Booth said
Indeed a very useful first blog – the election does offer opportunities to expose the real Davis….
I lost all my links recently but will add a link to your site when I’ve sorted them out…
Derek Wall said
Good luck with the blogging…Aled as one of the more electorally succesful but at the same radical members of the Green Party of England and Wales…I look forward to stealing you stuff, you must be doing something right…first theft here http://aleddilwynfisher.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/will-the-real-civil-libertarians-please-stand-up/
Derek Wall said
I mean here, correct link http://another-green-world.blogspot.com/2008/06/aleds-thoughts-on-david-davis.html
Aled Dilwyn Fisher said
Hi guys,
Thanks for posting!
The election is a big risk for anyone who stands. For the Greens, I would be for us standing if, as Sue says, we could find someone with an umblemished record of standing up for civil liberties, with a high profile but not on a power trip, and backed by activists and resources in order to run a full campaign with the support of wider progressive forces.
Someone like Mark Thomas would be great. Of course, when people think Green Party and civil liberties, two names will come to mind – Peter Tatchell and Jean Lambert MEP. But I doubt either of them would go for it.
As I said in the post, the perfect thing would be a fairly local activist backed by a campaign that had the support of Greens, other left-wing parties, civil liberties groups, grassroots networks around peace/anti-war and environmental direct action (who have actively opposed authoritarianiam) and others. This is going to be pretty hard to find, but there have to be some minimal conditions if someone is to give it a good shot and get the message across.
With Liberty and other groups presumably backing Davis, it’s going to be tough. It’ll be very interesting to see though.
nickwall said
Great post. It’s really important to spike this idea that Davis is some kind of principled hero. That said, the idea of resigning from parliament to stand again on an issue of principle is a brilliant one. Imagine the impact if Robin Cook had done this on the eve of the Iraq war in 2003 !
Aled Dilwyn Fisher said
Or better still – imagine the impact if all the Labour MPs had resigned on the eve of the Iraq War and sparked a genuinely huge and interesting debate on the future of the country. Things may have been a bit different!
I totally agree that the idea of resigning from Parliament on principle is a good thing. Like you say, that isn’t what Davis has done here.
Rupert Read said
Nice work, Aled!
My point has always been that this action by Davis gives a huge opportunity to focus on the ISSUE(S) of civil liberties, and of freedom in its true sense.
…We need to go beyond mere ‘formal’ liberties in this debate: e.g.
anyone is ‘free’ to own a newspaper — the press is ‘free’ — provided that
you are extremely rich… ; anyone is ‘free’ to sue for libel — provided
that they are extremely rich… We need a society which makes political and
civil freedom something which all can have access to (‘equality of
liberty’), and not merely a preserve of the rich and powerful: so, measures
such as: allow legal aid for libel; statutory regulation of the press and
government financial support for those initiating alternative media;
proportional representation; decentralisation to localities; etc. …
We have to make the argument about freedom in a true, broad sense of that word: true freedom is not mere libertarian anarchy; true freedom is enabled and enabling: people are freer
when they are free from fear of old age or ill-health (so: the NHS, not
private medicine; NHS provision for care for the elderly); people are freer
when they are well-educated (so: strip charitable status from private
education and put all education in this country on a level playing field and
make it all high-quality…). George Lakoff [see e.g.
http://www.alternet.org/story/38813/ ] makes this argument well, about how
we must not allow the argument to be one of freedom vs. constraint: WE are
the true advocates of freedom, and not Davis.
I don’t think that a blog (as opposed to a closed email list) is an appropriate place to discuss Gren Party tactics in relation to this byelection. However, just to make one overarching point about this, in some disagreement with one point that you make, Aled:
In order to have a platform to make these points that you and I are talking about here,
we’d definitely need a candidate with big-league name recognition, to counter the effect of
McKenzie’s standing…
Miles said
Do you work for New Labour? If you were a real libertarian you wouldn’t be trying to knock one of the few people to successfully stand up against this government’s authoritarianism.
There’s something not right here.
Leftwing Criminologist said
i agree with what you’re saying about David Davies – this is a propaganda stunt for him and more importantly “it allows the Tories to yet again out-flank ‘Labour’ to the left”.
i’ll put a link on my blog
Andrew Collingwood said
Completely agree with you, I am skeptical of DD’s motives, I’ve always seen him as to the right of the Conservative party and a well suited MP for Alan B’Stard’s seat.
However, I think the media will ignore the Green Party or any left thinking individual who stands against him. It will be portrayed as a two horse race between him and Kelvin McKenzie.
Mark said
I think that if a left thinking individual were to stand on a platform of structural adjustment (ie constitutional power to the grassroots) they could possibly gain the necessary level of colourful support from the Zapatistan minded eg climate campers and thereby make the media (and maybe even the voters, too) take proper notice of the movement. Eg, something along the lines of:
A New Social Covenant
(1) The reordering of society from the ground up so that executive power vests with the people, on the street and in each locality, in accordance with the UN right to self-determination, EU subsidiarity and democracy as ‘government by the people’ and by way of the concept of the Local Assembly.
(2) People’s (Community Land Trust, CLT) buildings, with garden on every street: each to be run by the people who live around it as they see fit (and each Locality to be recognised in *meta-law* as a new social covenant Local Assembly).
(3) New communities enclosures: the ring fencing of parcels of land for the facilitation of low-impact, intentional, human-scale communities (kibbutz/commune style CLTs), each standing independently as a Local Assemblies, with security of tenure and the same constitutional status as enjoyed by each locality outlined in (2) and (4).
(4) Local Assemblies to enjoy full executive and judicial powers of first instance, to be constitutionally recognised and include, alongside electoral processes delegate-system voting rights in Parliament, local taxation powers, the right to petition for and challenge new legislation, and constitutionality on all matters.
(5) Widespread expansion of affordable, low impact self-governing CLT,
self-build, 4th Option and SPAN style housing projects.
(6) A new regime of Currency Transaction CTT and other Corporate Taxation on bank speculation and other multinational profits, monies to be ring fenced for grassroots development projects, to pay for basic sanitation, emergency relief, education and housing in the poorest sections of the world.
(7) EU Common Agricultural Policy CAP funds (currently 30 billion pounds of EU taxpayers budget per annum, and of enormous adverse effect on fair trade for developing agricultural economies) to be diverted for new CLT purchases outlined in (2) (3) and (5).
(8) A written constitution with built-in sunset clause (constitution to lapse every 15 years) to incorporate these and other policy demands and allow for judicial appeal procedures.
(9) To reign in on the absolute and unaccountable doctrine of Parliamentary Sovereignty, and guarantee the rights set out above, terms of written constitution (subject to sunset clause) to be recognised as new covenant *meta-law*, judicially enforceable against the state, as in the US.
(10) Terms of ‘meta-law’ (new social covenant/constitution) to include fundamental democratic rights of freedom of conscience, expression, protest and assembly, plus other rights set out in the UDHR and other aspirational texts.
..might just do the trick.
M
Aled Dilwyn Fisher said
Miles – I don’t work for New ‘Labour’ (unfortunately for my bank balance). I really don’t think I’ve been harsh on Davis, and there are far harsher account to be found – even from Tory MPs! This blog certainly doesn’t stand up for New ‘Labour’s authoritarianism, war-mongering and disgraceful record. But let’s look for more than just empty stunts and build something more radical and sustainable to counter the government.
Rupert – agree with what you say. But are we sure that MacKenzie will even stand? You’re right that it has to be a high profile name, but a grassroots activist from at least near the area with some kind of name appeal must be found first.
My biggest concern is with what’s behind the candidate, rather than the candidate themselves. It would need to be a broad campaign, well resourced and highly principled, involving as many people as possible. It’s a pretty tall order.
Mark – that’s a pretty interesting list of demands. I’m sure people like the Climate Campers would get on board: like I say, the direct action and other protest movements in the country, from Stop the War to Earth First, have experienced first hand the level of creeping authoritarianism and would be well placed to form the movement to oppose it and out flank Davis. Not sure I’d go with those exact demands but that’s not to say there’s anything wrong with them.
Any platform would have to be clear on the issues where Davis is not, that is:
- Staunchly anti-war and anti-SOCPA erosion of rights to protest
- Strongly against the death penalty
- Strongly for repealing not just 42 days but 28 days and returning us to at least a par with other countries, and hopefully beyond
- Clearly for repudiating all the other negative aspects of the ‘war on terror at home’, such as stop and search etc
It would have to have clarity on the issues where Davis is not going to fight, in my opinion.
Mark said
At the very least our failure to field a candidate and a genuineley anti-authoritarian agenda that shows Davis for what he is, if failure is indeed what occurs will hopefully show us how unprepared we are, and educate us about what’ll be necessary in the coming years (both in terms of both electioneering & grassroots community organisation) in order to win the fight.
Thanks for doing this blog Aled, it’s a very good endeavour and we’ll see what happens in the coming weeks..
QuestionThat said
There’s probably going to be plenty for me to disagree with here, but best of luck with the blog all the same :-)
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